The Tauren & The Goblin #16: Dark Mirror, Cinematics, Dadghar, and Genn’s Doghouse.

Jason (aka Emery) is back and he’s here to talk about the recent story and cinematic developments in game. First, he talks a little about his monk which he changed to a male Pandaren. Katie shares her experiences getting the Riddler’s Mind Worm mount, and Nick comments that he waited for everyone to figure it out so he could just read the instructions and claim it. Katie then shares her theory that the worm is an attempt by the Old Gods to control the smartest minds on Azeroth, and it leads to a discussion that adds this as further evidence the next expansion will focus on N’Zoth.

They discuss the recent Dark Mirror short story about Nathanos Blightcaller, as it answers the questions of why he looks so different now — a topic we have been wondering about since our earliest episodes. Jason and Katie talk about Sylvanas being evil, but Nick theorizes that this is how Sylvanas shows love, especially after her rejection by her sister in War Crimes. For the first of many times, Katie mentions that she dislikes Genn Greymane. Katie doesn’t think enough Alliance leaders have died, and Nick calls her out on that.

The discussion turns to Khadgar, and how he can be annoying but still enjoyable, and his role as the pun-making Dadghar. Alisaunder emails in with comments on the TCG and Threshadons. Everyone discusses the 7.2 cinematic, and Kil’jaeden’s updated appearance. Praise is heaped upon the cinematics team, for their brilliant use of callbacks, such as Kil’jaeden looming over the holographic Dalaran mirroring Archimonde towering over the sand-representation of Dalaran in Warcraft III.

The Anduin cinematic was also released as the culmination of the quest chain to return Varian’s compass to the new king. The movie is compared to the Seige of Orgrimmar finale to show how far the cinematics team has come in such a short time. Anduin has grown up, and now we know why Warriors were not offered Varian’s sword as a potential artifact: because Anduin was going to empower it with the light for himself. Jason ends by comparing Sylvanas and Greymane, and everyone agrees he needs to go the doghouse. All this and more on this week’s The Tauren & the Goblin!


Host of WoW! Talk! and The Tauren & The Goblin. Sometimes known as the Video Games Public Defender. Wants to play more Destiny and Marvel Heroes but WoW is all-consuming. Decent F2P Hearthstone player. Sad that he lost the Wii that had Wrecking Crew on it. Would be happy if the only game ever made was M.U.L.E. Gragtharr on Skywall-US. Garresque on Ravencrest-US.

Katie is a long time gamer who has fallen in love with multiple genres. She started young by playing Nintendo 64, Spyro, and Blizzard games such as Warcraft II with family, then eventually moved into playing games in both my leisure time and as a occupation. She loves being immersed in different universes and exploring the characters that live in them, as well as just playing games for a good time.

Jason has been a gamer since the days of the Atari, starting off with games like Pong, and leading all the way up to games like Final Fantasy on the PS2. He then discovered the battlefield series in 2004 on the PC and it was done. An avid gamer, lover of music and all things PC, Jason strives to show users that PC gaming is not dead, so lock an load!


  • Jackal

    Here we go again… I understand that you like and play Horde, I did too at one point. However, it feels like you do a lot of defending for a character who is a war criminal. There is no redemption for her, she has been written as a straight up villain, not a morally questionable character.
    Darion Mograine is morally questionable, Kayn Sunfury is morally questionable, hell every “friendly” warlock is morally questionable.
    Windrunner is not morally questionable, she is just evil. There is no amount of writing that can redeem her.
    I’d advise not turning your back on her, you’ll end up with an arrow in it.

    Now I hate to beat a dead horse, but please just back off the Greymane and worgen bashing.
    I honestly enjoy your show and personalities, but this seems to be a recurring theme.
    I really do want to keep listening to your show, but episodes like this make me not want to.
    You said last time that you would lay off this and you were doing well until this episode.
    I know you don’t like Greymane and his constant action towards the Horde, but they brought this on themselves, they took everything from him.
    A fitting example is kicking a street dog and complaining that it attacked you afterwards.

    On the subject of the Forsaken making and using the plague in Stormheim, while on the boat, you are launching barrels of plague into gryphon riders (Who are various races, human, nelf, dwarf). Do you know what happens when the barrels hit the riders? They are instantly skeletised.
    There is a reason Windrunner says “Not even the bones will remain”when it was first used in Cata.

    The forsaken are the reason I stopped playing Horde, they taint the Horde with their presence and infect what it stood for. They are evil, there is no two ways about it.
    Goblins are morally questionable, I understand that, but the Forsaken have been written as inhuman monsters, that cannot be undone.
    They will never be part of the Horde that I once knew.

    • WookieeBH

      FYI, Katie and I go in depth in response to your email. We skip over talking about Genn for now, (we’ll do a deep dive on him soon), but we talk abit about Horde-Forsaken relations. I’d recommend you check out the next episode (up next week) and let us know what you think!

  • WookieeBH

    Windrunner has been portrayed as evil. You’re absolutely right. There is no moral justification for using the plague, and the only reason she can get away with it as a character is because she’s essentially soul-less.

    That said, I think that we’re seeing some sort of turn in her. She had that reunion with Vareesa in War Crimes, which, although her end goal was to kill her sister, did seem to awaken something in her. And then Dark Mirror definitely teases some sort of attraction between her and Blightcaller. It could be that as time passes, she may be regaining her sense of self, which could lead to the point when she has to acknowledge her vile actions and seek atonement. I’m not sure if this is why she was made Warchief, or if this is Blizzard changing the character to make her more palatable in her faction-wide role. (Then again, we had Garrosh act somewhat noble in Stonetalon only for that to go nowhere, so it could be Blizzard being a bit scatterbrained.)

    As a Tauren, I’m not happy she’s Warchief, but we’re all too busy with the Legion to pay much attention to that right now. I didn’t care for her stunt in Stormheim (though as a player I understand why she did it). We’ll see where she takes the Horde. She seems a little more pragmatic than Garrosh was. That will probably keep her in power longer and fend off any revolution for the time being. (Who’s going to revolt anyway? Vol’jin drove Garrosh’s opposition and I don’t see Baine or Lorthemar being as antagonistic barring some drastic action from Sylvanas.)

    Sylvanas’ story either ends with her a raid boss or sacrificing herself in a cinematic. Given that the last two Warchiefs both died those ways fairly recently, I’m thinking we have some time before we see her removed from power. Which suggests to me that Blizzard’s going to play with her characterization for a while – probably teasing us about just how much emotion she’s regained – before either redeeming her or pulling the carpet out to reveal that she’s been dark and evil the whole time and yes, we should watch our back because there will be an arrow there.

    As for the Worgen, I like them!!! My Alliance Hunter is Worgen. I don’t mean to beat up on them. Genn, on the other hand… I am less of a fan. He built his wall and turned his back on Lordaeron for all those years. We can talk about how evil Sylvanas is, but at least her reason is that she’s forsaken. Genn has a soul – what’s his excuse? Yes he’s been King a longtime and he’ll serve as a good mentor to Anduin, especially alongside Velen, but Genn’s history is far from innocent. Perhaps walling off his people was the right move for Gilneas, but I’d much rather see Crowley in a position of leadership for the Worgen.

    I’m sure Katie and I will go over all this on the next episode. Thanks for the feedback!