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The Tauren & The Goblin

The Tauren & the Goblin is Mash Those Button’s podcast that focuses on the story and lore of the World of Warcraft. Each episode, hosts Nick and Katie discuss topics ranging from recent in-game events to Azeroth’s titanic history, usually with the added perspective of playing Tauren and Goblin characters, respectively. New episodes are released every other Tuesday.

Executive Producer
Jarret Redding
Nick Zielenkievicz
Jarret Redding


Nick Zielenkievicz

Host of WoW! Talk! and The Tauren & The Goblin. Sometimes known as the Video Games Public Defender. Wants to play more Destiny and Marvel Heroes but WoW is all-consuming. Decent F2P Hearthstone player. Sad that he lost the Wii that had Wrecking Crew on it. Would be happy if the only game ever made was M.U.L.E. Gragtharr on Skywall-US. Garresque on Ravencrest-US.

Katie Grace

Katie is a long time gamer who has fallen in love with multiple genres. She started young by playing Nintendo 64, Spyro, and Blizzard games such as Warcraft II with family, then eventually moved into playing games in both my leisure time and as a occupation. She loves being immersed in different universes and exploring the characters that live in them, as well as just playing games for a good time.

Season 1

#1: Pre-Legion Lore
August 28th, 2016

Nick and Katie discuss the lore leading into Legion on The Tauren and The Goblin!

#2: On Stormheim
September 12th, 2016

The Tauren and The Goblin #2 looks at Stormheim with a heavy focus on Sylvanas.

#5: Celebrating Highmountain
November 8th, 2016

It shouldn't have taken so long for a Tauren to talk about how awesome Highmountain is. New Tauren & Goblin!

#7: On Winter's Veil
December 20th, 2016

Winter's Veil is a time of cheer, yet it pits Tauren reverence vs. Goblin greed.

#8: Best Wishes for 2017
January 3rd, 2017

Nick and Katie wish Anduin, Sylvanas, Jaina, and others a Happy 2017 (but not Genn. Never Genn).

Season 2

#9: Just the Tauren
January 17th, 2017

Nick tries going alone this week and talks about why he likes the lore and some of his crazier theories.

SE: 7.2 PTR Champions
February 2nd, 2017

Nick and Katie are back to talk about the Class Hall Champions revealed on the PTR.

#11: ...and the Pandaren
February 14th, 2017

Emery from Watchpoint Radio joins us to talk about monks and pandaren, and Katie recaps Love is in the Air.

#12: On Free Will with Alisaunder
February 28th, 2017

Alisaunder joins Nick and Katie this week to discuss the rogue and priest questlines and free will for our characters.

#13: On Azsuna
March 14th, 2017

Nick & Katie FINALLY discuss the final Legion starting zone. Enter Azsuna!

#15: On Un'Goro Crater
April 10th, 2017

Nick & Katie welcome the new Hearthstone expansion by discussing Un'Goro Crater.

#18: On Mothers
May 23rd, 2017

Its a bit late for Mother's Day but Nick and Katie discuss Moms in WoW anyway.

#20: The Tauren takes a..."Holiday"
June 20th, 2017

Join Alisaunder and Klanker as they chat about current events, our love for villanous figures, Anduin, and Khadgars favorite Champion.

#26: Just the Tauren II
September 19th, 2017

Nick hosts solo talking about Shadow, Argus, Alleria, and asks if WoW is fun.

Season 3

#37: Catching Up
February 12th, 2018

We talk about class stories, the status of Battle for Azeroth, and Allied Races.

#53: On Rastakhan and Katie's Trip
September 25th, 2018

This week the lads peruse over the newly released Developer Blog on Weapons for #TheDivision to and discuss briefly why 1.8.3 didn't fix the meta.

#56: On Zuldazar
November 20th, 2018

We review Zuldazar and ask why trolls are so vulnerable to backstabs?

#58: On Nazmir
December 19th, 2018

Nick and Katie discuss Nazmir and consider Gallywix as well as turtle wizards!

#59: Best Wishes for 2019 (Part 1)
January 2nd, 2019

It’s our first end of the year spectacular! We talk about ghosts of patches past, present, and future. Happy holidays everyone!

Season 4

#60: A Cabin in Azshara
January 15th, 2019

We make wishes for what 2019 will bring to Azshara, Xal'atath, Saurfang, & more!

#64: Endgame
March 12th, 2019

Nick and Katie discuss Blizzard's changing narrative style. Also druids!!!

#69: On Safe Haven
May 22nd, 2019

This week's The Tauren & the Goblin should be called The Thrall & the Saurfang!

SE: Hunters! (and Some Lore)
August 31st, 2019

Look back at the stealth pilot for Tauren & Goblin when Nick & Katie go deep on hunters before Legion and then lose their minds over the Chronicle Vol. I preview and that magic chart!

#78: What If Wrathion Was Corrupted (Part 1)?
September 25th, 2019

In part 1 of a What If focusing on Wrathion as we wonder how things would be if he had been born corrupted. We look at his history and consider his roles in Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria.

SE: On the War Campaign Finale
September 26th, 2019

Nick and Katie couldn't wait to speculate on Sylvanas' powers, a death faction, and the new Warchief(s?). Its an special episode on the end of the War Campaign!

#80: August Predictions
October 22nd, 2019

Back in August, Nick and Katie got hyped with some 8.2.5 datamining and tried to predict how things would be in October. Also, they compare BfA's narrative to other expansions.

#82: On Blizzcon & Shadowlands
December 4th, 2019

Nick and Katie are back after their hiatus! Katie went to Blizzcon! And they can't help but talk about all things Shadowlands!

#83: On the Clash of Story and Mechanics
December 18th, 2019

This week we look at where mechanics and story clash and how Blizzard's improvement as storytellers has helped to mitigate that, especially regarding death.

#84: Best Wishes for 2020 - Part I
December 31st, 2019

We begin a three part marathon of best wishes for 2020! This week: The Windrunner Sisters, Turalyon, Anduin, Genn, Velen, Jaina and Derek Proudmoore, Mekkatorque, and Bolvar!

#85: Best Wishes for 2020 - Part II
January 8th, 2020

We continue our Best Wishes for 2020 by talking about Taelia, Calia, Lillian Voss, Thrall, Baine, Mayla, Lor'themar, Thalyssra, Gazlowe, Wrathion, the Dragon Aspects, Azeroth, Magni, and Khadgar!

#86: Best Wishes for 2020 - Part III
January 16th, 2020

We conclude our Best Wishes for 2020 series with talk about Tyrande, Malfurion, Azshara, Zek'han, Xal'atath, Gallywix, Flynn Fairwind, Queen Talanji, Vol'jin, Bwonsamdi, Rastakhan, Saurfang, & more!

Season 5

#87: On 8.3 and Old God Optometry
January 29th, 2020

Nick and Katie talk about their experiences in 8.3 and begin to evaluate Battle for Azeroth now that it is completed.

#90: On the Council of Tirisfal
March 11th, 2020

Nick and Katie get a little silly going over the early history of the Council of Tirisfal, from the poor decisions around their creation, up until Aegwynn went rogue and birthed Medivh.

#95: On N'Zoth
May 20th, 2020

Nick and Katie discuss the history of N'Zoth and consider his actions. Also, Nick hates helms with horns.

#97: On "A Moment in Verse"
June 17th, 2020

Nick posits the 2020-Azeroth connection. Also, the Titans do some self-exploration? But mainly, we talk about Lor'themar and Thalyssra!

#98: On Alts (with Spazz Wesson)
July 1st, 2020

Spazz Wesson joins Katie and Nick as they compare 8.3 to other end of expansion patches and discuss their experiences leveling and playing alts.

Where We're Going (feat. Gin)
July 24th, 2020

Gin and Nick talk about spoilers for Shadows Rising before reading the book and also get into some spoilers for Shadowlands leveling.

#103: On Uther and Afterlives: Bastion
August 31st, 2020

Nick and Katie were so gobsmacked by Afterlives: Bastion they had no choice but to talk about Uther and the implications of that short!

#107: On Garrosh Hellscream
October 1st, 2020

The sad part of starting a lore podcast after Warlords of Draenor is that we missed our opportunity to talk about Garrosh Hellscream when he was relevant. That all changes now.

#108: On Bolvar Fordragon
October 8th, 2020

Nick and Katie look over the life of Bolvar Fordragon, from Onyxia to the Wrathgate to the Lich King and now Shadowlands.

#110: On Kael'thas Sunstrider
November 5th, 2020

Before we encounter Kael'thas in the Shadowlands, let's set back our sights on his time on Azeroth and Outland.

#113: On Bastion and Beyond (feat. Edanar)
December 17th, 2020

Edanar from Clan of Three joins to talk a little about Bastion and the nature of the overall Shadowlands campaign and fight with Katie over goblins and Wisconsin and Arrakoa.

#114: Best Wishes for 2021 (Part I)
December 31st, 2020

Nick and Katie share their best wishes for the new year for Sylvanas, The Jailer, Bolvar, Tyrande, Anduin, Jaina, Thrall, and more!

#115: Best Wishes for 2021 (Part 2)
January 8th, 2021

Nick and Katie continue their best wishes by talking about Ysera, Vol'jin, Uther, Arthas, Draka, Garrosh, Kael'thas, and more! Come for the wishes, stay for the crazy theorizing!

Season 6

#116: On Maldraxxus
January 14th, 2021

This week we recap the Maldraxxus portion of the campaign and talk about the great characters you meet, like Marileth, Vashj, Emeni, and more!

#117: On Ardenweald (NICK HATES THE GORM)
January 28th, 2021

Nick considers a Night Fae-Naaru connection, then he and Katie run through the Spriggans, Drust, and Gorm to point out that each is more annoying than the last. Finally they gush over Ysera's return.

#118: On Revendreth
February 11th, 2021

Nick and Katie hate Denathrius but love Theotar and the Dredgers and Stonehead! Come have a tea party while we consider the Light's presence in Revendreth!

#122: On the Venthyr Campaign
April 7th, 2021

Spazz Wesson returns to fill in for Katie and walk us through the Venthyr Campaign! So much Kael'thas! So little shirt!

#130: Episode 130
July 29th, 2021

Nick and Katie react and discuss the news about Blizzard's toxic culture.

#135: On Mercenaries
October 26th, 2021

Nick talks briefly about Hearthstone mercenaries and introducing new characters.

#136: On Elune and the Cosmos
November 4th, 2021

Katie is back so Nick can share his bizarre theory about Elune as they speculate over her origins.

Season 7

#143: On the Raid Cinematics
March 17th, 2022

Nick and Katie talk about Zereth Mortis and the Sepulcher cinematics. And they keep talking. For a while.

#144: On Yogg-Saron
April 1st, 2022

We apologize for the audio quality. Nick and Katie weren't feeling good when this was recorded.

#150: Ragnaros' Electric Slide
September 8th, 2022

You can't go off-topic if you never establish one at the start. Can Ragnaros celebrate 150 episodes by line dancing?

Season 8

#152: Back After A Timeskip
March 22nd, 2023

Nick returns solo to talk about Dragonflight so far. Also, which heroes best represent their class? NEMSY GANG RISE UP!