Kinder and Exomatt are joined by special guest Hertel3k, as we discuss the current meta as it relates to the pro scene. In particular, we discuss whether or not the Kraber should be banned from pro play, as a “1-shot killing machine”, or if the pros are just whining too much. We also discuss our thoughts on some of the recently proposed buffs and nerfs to Fuse, Horizon, and Octane, and input from pros on how these changes could positively or negatively affect the meta, and ask for your thoughts on what all of this could mean for Apex Legends in the future!

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Josh Kinder

9 year podcast veteran, former host on The SOGOpod, Fragging Out, and Watchpoint Radio. Kinder has been gaming since before he could walk, and specializes in gaming industry insight, development commentary, and toilet humor!

Mathew Crowell

Started at Math Blaster and now we're here. He's been glued to his games since 1997. A proud Octane main, he likes to jump in head first. I play and stream a slew of games from Pokemon to GTA and everything in-between.

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